INQUIRER: I believe in the first heaven and the third heaven. What is the second one?

Bro. Eli F. Soriano (EFS): You believe in the third, brother. Your question is, what is the second? We have a heaven on earth. The space that covers the earth it is called heaven. Even the space under the South pole is also heaven. The space that covers the whole earth is called heaven. Let us read –

(Genesis 1:6-8) "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven." 

EFS: The space that is over the earth, there is water under it, there is water over it. That is the firmament. It is called as the atmosphere of the earth. The Earth's atmosphere has water under it, which is the water in our earth, there is also water above found in the clouds, right? That firmament is called as heaven. So, the immediate atmosphere of the earth is heaven. The place where the stars are is also heaven. The place where we can see the stars. If we will continue in Genesis.

(Genesis 1:14-15) "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:" "And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so." 

EFS: "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven," Those are the stars, those different things we can see in heaven. Those lights are the sources of light. So, the heaven we can see is the first heaven. Now, the second heaven is that higher heaven, the second heaven is the next heaven. Now, I can no longer see that so, I do not know what we can find there. It is hard for us to reach that. In this heaven that we can see, men reached only the moon. We cannot reach the others. It is wrong for me to teach you that higher heaven we are not even sure what we can find there, right? But there is a second heaven in the Bible. There is the third heaven because there is the second, isn't there? God is in the third heaven, the paradise is there, Christ is there. The space between the first heaven and the place where we are, and the stars and planets we can see et cetera, after that is the second heaven, above, in the North. Not below but in the North. Now, that second heaven, it is difficult to think about things there because that is already very far.

(Romans 12:3) "For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith."

EFS: That is clear - let us not think so highly. Brother, the second heaven is very high. It cannot be seen by the telescope. We can know that later on when the time comes that we are immortal, we will be just before God, our bodies will be changed with an incorruptible body, you may also get there.